Friday, October 3, 2014

One of "These Children"



I hope that, as future educators, chapter 11 in City Kids City Schools struck an alarming note about students living in poverty.  Frankly, I hope it made you mad, at points. The problems low-income students are likely to encounter persist far outside the classroom, and I know this isn't news to any of you.  Redeaux speaks about teaching as being autobiographical, that book knowledge isn't the only skill teachers need to be equipped with.  Rather than distancing herself from her experiences as an African-American student, and now teacher, she "cling(s) to them because they define me".  When a teacher checks-in their experiences at the door of their classroom and solely becomes a vessel for knowledge and information, well...how does that benefit the student? How, then, in rebuttal, do students benefit from a teacher that embraces their experiences whether they be good or bad?

It made me uncomfortable, although not surprised, that people have gone off and made millions the way Ruby Payne has, as described in this chapter.  She is a self-proclaimed expert on the characteristics of poverty, with very little personal experience, and has defined damaging traits of those living in poverty.  She believes people living in poverty need to be taught to want to escape and that it is a choice one makes to stay in poverty. The phony findings she believes to be true about poverty can be irreversible to those who are willing to listen, which perpetuates the cycle.

After reading about the crudeness of Payne's findings and hearing about Ellis' story, I was really struck by what Redeux said about locating the inconsistencies portrayed by the media of children living in poverty.  The inconsistency I've recently located at Roberto Clemente, predominately Latino and African-American, is how eagerly the sophomores and freshmen I observe ask about college, and how hard it is, and if my "teachers" are so mean, and remarks including "I wonder what college I'll go to..." a question I, too, remember asking.  What sort of inconsistencies (not relating to Payne's defining factors of poverty) are you all seeing with your students at your schools?

If you enjoyed this particular chapter and reject the notion of assimilating the lower-class into the middle, then I recommend checking out Vershawn Young's work, especially his article "Should Writers Use They Own English"

http://ir.uiowa.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1095&context=ijcs

Now a professor, Young grew up in the projects of Chicago, and is a shining example of what happens when a student is not defined by his social class.


20 comments:

  1. Nicollete,

    I like your post, and I also started to feel frustrated while reading chapter 11. As far as I got to Payne’s “perfect recipe” of how those people could be helped to escape poverty, it made me wonder if what Payne suggests really works and categorizing students by behaviors does not hinder more. I’m aware of what is going on in schools, but I don’t think we should focus so much on trying to make our students something that they are not. Payne suggests that “they must be taught how to behave in middle class society”; it is not the students’ choice to live in such conditions, who would not want to have a better life, but since they are, we as teachers should strive to help them in ways that will mean success for every type of student, not caring about the economic status, race or any other factor.

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    1. I agree with you Lorena.
      The issue of poverty seems to weave in and out of the school system. In the school that I'm observing, 90% of the student body is within the poverty line, which is then reflected onto the students' work. Just today, the social worker was having a discussion with select students who had sever attendance issues. Instead of attempting to address the possible reasons that could be keeping these student out of school, there was the jump to a solution and real-world connections of "if you were in the work place, this wouldn't be acceptable". I don't think this is an affective way to teach students and help them grow. It's not providing a nurturing environment for growth.

      Nice post!

      Saarah Mohammed

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  2. You really struck a chord with me when you said: “When a teacher checks-in their experiences at the door of their classroom and solely becomes a vessel for knowledge and information, well...how does that benefit the student?” We have to remember that being authentic and true to ourselves will serve our students insofar as building credibility and respect is concerned. Students, I feel, are experts at discerning those that are genuine from those that are not, and if we fail to procure the former, then we chip away at that foundation that is built on trust. “Embracing your experiences,” as you put it, has its merits. The one that comes immediately to mind is you’ll spend less energy on maintaining pretenses and have more time to spend on sharing your stories with the class, thereby bridging the teacher-student gap. That’s if building connections actually begets respect, which is speculative.

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  3. Nicollette, I also find the situation alarming. There are a lot of people out there making high stakes decisions who seem to not be as attuned as they should be, and nothing changes. Who will break the cycle then? Well, I believe, and I hope others of us agree, that it is we, the teachers, who are charged with this task of providing opportunities to those that society turns a blind eye to. It makes me sad to see the low-level curriculum some students are being taught and to know that even if they master this stuff and get straight A's all throughout high school, in college they would be in bad shape because they are not learning what is necessary to prepare them for a rigorous academic experience. And contrary to what some may think, not only are some students motivated to learn, but they are CAPABLE of learning a REAL curriculum! The statement about these students being the next Malcolm Xs and so forth is so true, and something that I often think about. They are equipped with a unique set of experiences and the lens through which they see the world can help to change it. I can't wait to see these kids assume their positions as leaders one day.

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  4. Hi, Nico,

    I also find this chapter alarming, because if teachers continue to go out there believing that their students only deserve a particular curriculum, then that is just disturbing and sad. I have been in several classes that just shock me in terms of what they are learning and how the teachers are teaching the curriculum. I understand that you cannot move on if the students do not know the basics, but how effectively are the basics of English being taught when the teacher has low expectations from the students? Is the work ethic of the teacher the same if she were to be at another school with different students? I do not think so. I believe everyone is capable of an education, but as future educators, we need to plant that seed in order for it to grow.

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  5. In my opinion, I see great benefit to being able to relate to your student’s backgrounds and culture. We need to be role models and a testament that with diligence and perseverance our students that are at-risk and living in difficult low-income situations are capable of both personal and academic success. I must say that I too was offended at the prejudices that Dr. Payne proposed as the behavioristic problems. I do not see a clear distinction between a middle and a lower class. I only see a big gap in our ability to feel empathy towards each other and to be kind and helpful especially towards those less fortunate. Quality education is a key component of success and in order to provide quality education, we have to have quality teachers in our classrooms.

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  6. Hey Nicolette,
    My freshmen are going on that field trip to DePaul tomorrow, and I wonder if I'll see them be seniors in a few years time. It's no surprise to us that there are high drop out rates in CPS. Last year when we went to Kelvyn Park with Todd, he told us we were going to work with honors seniors and that they really wanted to be there if they were seniors in the honors track. It makes me wonder what happened to all those eager freshmen and sophomores that resulted them in being one of the drop out numbers. There are plenty of standards that push for "college readiness," yet I still see inconsistencies. Is it because they never felt that an educator was on their side?

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  7. I think it is great when we can relate to our students'. For example, the school I was placed in to observe I definitely relate to. I grew up in the neighborhood, and actually know what the go through on a daily basis, for the most part. There are definitely things that we will not be able to relate to, and that is something that we have to accept. But what we can be is understanding of different situations that exist. This way our students' can see that we have respect. Students' can not change who they are and what they were born into. They can only try to better prepare themselves for the future, but there can be many factors that get in the way. All we can do is support them and try to help.

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  8. I also find contradictions like Payne's annoying as well. These pop culture personalities like Michael Moore, Rush Limbaugh, or other political personalities seldom practice what they preach. It's probably one of the most major focal points of SS teachers and all teachers alike to explore contradictions with our students.

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  9. Perhaps this only scratches at the surface of this reading, but I feel it is something that is worth mentioning. In your questions you asked about the inconsistencies we are seeing with our students. I want to flip that around and share my own personal inconsistency. Being an undocumented college student has raised eyebrows as far as I can remember. Although, there are supporters to my cause, I consistently get perspectives of being incapable of possibly succeeding in this country because of my current legal status. These feelings and beliefs I believe are what emphasize the need (as you mentioned) to break the cycle. I just feel that It is gets to the point of being ignorant when people begin to believe that particular types of people (low-income, minorities, etc.) are incapable of reaching particular goals, or have beliefs of something greater. And because of that, we get the types of people discussed in this chapter.

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  10. I have seen the same inconsistency at the school I observe at. The students, a majority being working class Latino Americans, stated they want to go to college or pursue a career that requires a college diploma. They all are bright students and they work hard in class. But doesn't this prove one of Payne's points? I don't agree with her entirely but isn't that what parents want of their children? To pursue college and get a good job so they can move up in class?

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  11. I think it is important to see where education fits in the whole scheme of things. Also who are the major contributors to education. First of all, I would like to address poverty and education. We have convinced students that if you were to go to college you will have a better chance to move up in socio-economic terms. However, many have challenged this comment. One of them Being Jean Anyon. If you have the chance to read her book "Radical Possibilities" (newer edition) she used data to make the claim that education is not the solution to our economy.

    Aside from that, who really has a say in education? (DEFINITELY NOT THE STUDENTS) Well the government, right? Well not really. Lets take for example the common core and standards. Bill Gates is actually the main contributor to the common core. (Kinda makes sense why its so heavy on STEM) Now my question is this, does a system where extrinsic forces force a community to teach outside of context serve that community well? I would argue no. If we were to leave the education system up to the "free market", only certain people would benefit from it. An equitable solution will not be attainable if this were to persist. With that in mind, check this out!

    http://truth-out.org/news/item/26485-venture-capitalists-are-poised-to-disrupt-everything-about-the-education-market

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  12. I really enjoyed reading Chapter 11. Yes, students living in poverty face things that affect their performance in school and outlook on life. I think this is why it is important for teachers to, like you said, not just see themselves as vessels of knowledge, but as humans with compassion. They should make an effort to engage with the students and relate to them-because when a kid is worried about whether or not there will be a home cooked meal for him when he gets back, the least of his worries is knowing where a comma goes-not that that stuff is not important-but that we must show and help students understand why it is important in a matter that includes them and shows them that they are at the heart of what and why we teach.

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  13. I think engaging with students living in poverty is a senstive task. The school I observe in is a majority low income. Walking in the neighborhood it is hard to imagine what the students face everyday coming to school. One of the teachers was telling me that most students eat all thier meals at school and arrive extra early to eat breakfast or have to provide for their family. I think relating to students about these issues takes time. Students need to gain trust with the teacher and the teacher needs to be knowledgable about students home lives before diving in to such material. I believe that teachers need to go beyond curriculum to engage students but they need to set boundaries and be aware of students comfort level.

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  14. Heyo Nicollette,
    I have had similar conversations with the sophomores at Senn, they ask about how difficult college is, how they can get money to go there, are there lots of parties etc. I can say with full honesty that they think about college way more than I did when I was a sophomore (or a senior for that matter) in high school. Maybe it is because I was lucky enough to grow up in a community where going to college was just like going to the next thing after high school, nearly everyone did it, and it is more notable when someone doesn't than when they do. In some ways, I think thei infatuation with college is a little unhealthy in the CPS system, all students hear about from the time they get in middle school is going to college. I have even heard some of my fifth graders at the after school program talk about the college they are going to go to, which is awesome in a lot of ways, but unsettling for some reason in others.

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  15. I agree that it is harder to know poverty if you have never lived it. She may know the facts about poverty but the feelings and thoughts these students have really are incomprehensible unless you've been in their shoe. Instead, what can be done, is addressing poverty through books and assignments and movies. Have a speaker come in who has dealt with poverty or other social issues who have succeeded in life and gone off to college. It shows that someone I their position really can make it.

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  16. Nicolette,

    I'm with you- the ignorance of some shines through in these examples you state, especially the ones about people who claim to know about poverty as a situation, yet don't live it. It is a cycle built on both voluntary choices and parenting. We might say how our choices and hard work can get us to where we need to be, but the truth is these students might not have access or the support from enough people to not fall into the same traps as their families or friends have.

    CPS neighborhood schools battle this monster everyday. I, for one, am anxious to be teaching in areas where it is true that I don't get it; I haven't lived it, so how can I expect to teach them anything valuable if I can't connect with their experiences? I think the key is to name the struggles we have with our students. An honest conversation saying, "hey, I haven't been there, but I've had struggles on my own. They might be different, they might be the same, but either way let's work through them safely in class together." Challenges and struggles are universal- they just depend on the type.

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  17. Thinking back on my experiences at my school thus far, I have not heard one of my students talk about going to college. This may be because they are only freshmen, but after reading the other posts it seems that many students are talking about attending college even at this age. Students have asked about and commented on my experiences in college. When I read a student survey the teacher handed out, each student's main concern was finishing high school. I know that this school works with an organization that takes students on trips to see colleges. All the students go on a trip freshman year and then the organization becomes selective and only takes students who are showing potential. Also, my mentor teacher believes all her students should go to college. She said she was the first in her family to go to college and that she started a trend in her family. She said that even her young daughter says that she is going to college because her mom did.

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  18. We as teachers should make an effort to care and not only teach content. If students see that we care they are more likely to care themselves. We should not be closed of to our students but relate to them, be open, and engaging. If we as teachers are going to teach about empathy we should also know how to empathizes with the students.

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  19. I too was very troubled (though in no way surprised) about the ways in which Payne made them dollars. The narratives surrounding poverty, justified and sustained by the impetus to test and then “reveal” statistical “truths” about impoverished people of color, pervade our society. For our purposes, they are the guiding philosophies that dictate government intervention on the bodies of our schools’ children. This notion of the “at-risk” student is, to my mind, a coded way of indicting young black men (mostly) and using the teacher as agent in order to intervene on the “risky” (notice the language of investment and finance here) student’s (client’s…) behavior so that they are more “functional” in society. Indeed, consider the rhetoric surrounding pregnancy in our high schools. Not even the rhetoric, just the constant whispering and talk and value judgment of teen pregnancy. How is it that people can be so “hands-off my uterus” in regards to abortion debate and so pro teen sex ed? Isn’t the guiding logic that if it’s not your uterus, then it’s none of your business? Is it precisely because these are poor, young women of color that we feel it is in their best interest that we intervene? Sorry if this got ramble-y…this has been angering me for a minute and I’m not fully articulate on it all yet… Ultimately though, I think we would say, no it’s because they are young that we intervene, not because they are poor and of color. “Babies having babies” and all of that. However, I’m just not sure that it is education’s place, ethically, to intervene and “educate” students on this. For me, the talk surrounding teen pregnancy that happens in schools to students and among teachers reflects a kind of logic that casts teachers as armatures of the state, working in the interest of population management. See Stephen J. Ball’s Foucault, Education, and Power for more on the categorization of the “at-risk youth” and a far more articulate discussion than I have mustered here.

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